Paul McCartney - 'I'll never retire!'
23/12/2009
Crying over John, working harder than The Beatles, and why he's too nervous to phone Bob Dylan...
Paul McCartney, now 67, appears to have put the ageing process on hold. It could be the hair dye he concedes to using, or the meat-free diet. Perhaps it’s some transcendental secret he picked up from the Maharishi in India all those years ago. More likely, his new
Macca is back on the road again, mining rock’s greatest songbook to reimagine unperformed Beatles recordings live. Of the Fab Four, McCartney has always been the most comfortable carrying the weight of the group’s uncommonly huge achievements. He remains happy to traverse the decades, reliving the days when he and his friends spilled colour across a black-and-white world with their hopeful, effervescent, joyously inventive songs.
Adam Forrest caught up with him between rehearsals shortly before his European tour kicked off.
Hello Paul.
I don’t think we have...
Don’t give me that! ‘I don’t think we have’ (laughs).
I’m sure I would have remembered.
So, what can the audience expect from the new tour?
Are you looking forward to playing Hamburg again? It’s not quite the city of sin it was when you and The Beatles were there in the 60s.
‘A Day in the Life’ is now part of the repertoire – not something The Beatles ever performed live. Is it daunting to tackle?
The musical orgasm?...
You’re playing ‘Give Peace a Chance’ now too. Does it feel a little strange to take on John’s songs for the first time?
You play George’s great classic ‘Something’ on the ukulele. Is it difficult to revisit memories of him on-stage?
It’s very emotional to do these songs. It’s marking losing family, which is terrible. But at the same time it’s great because in a way it puts me in touch with them. It focuses your emotions, so I’m thinking about them more than I might in an average day. Doing ‘Here Today’ (a 1982 song about John Lennon) is very emotional. The version the editors wanted to use in the live DVD is the one where I lose it and I get overwhelmed. If I’d been 18 I wouldn’t have let them use that – I’d have been too ashamed, as a young guy, to be seen crying. But that stuff doesn’t matter anymore.
There seems to be a blend of all ages at your gigs.
Are your kids and grandkids Beatles fans?
Why is The Beatles’ appeal universal? What makes the music survive changing trends?
You and the other Beatles have astronomical objects named after you (4148 McCartney is a small planet in the main asteroid belt). Your songs are among the most covered of all time. It must be hard not to be overwhelmed by the incredible legacy.
But when I go home I don’t go (sings in a jaunty tone) ‘I’m the guy with the star named after him’. I still think of myself as the guy who rode the buses in Liverpool, which leaves me a sense of wonder about the whole thing.
At the end of the ’60s John described The Beatles as “only a rock group”. Would he have celebrated how revered the band has become?
I tell you man, he wasn’t cynical. We used to talk about baking bread. He got very domesticated actually. Particularly after Sean was born, he was looking after the baby and loving it. His writing wasn’t cynical. If you think about the Double Fantasy album, with ‘Woman’ and ‘Beautiful Boy’ – it was very domestic, very real and loving. That’s actually harder than cynicism. Cynicism is a cheap shot. John had a very soft heart but like all of us, you get wounded, and you have to cover it up because you feel too exposed and vulnerable. He had his times when he had to do that.
There are loads of things he’d have been having a laugh about. He’d have been quite tickled, I’m sure, about being in a video game. Like me, he’d have been rubbish at it.
Have you played The Beatles: Rock Band game much?
Are you a fan of The X Factor?
My grandkids will watch it and I see it through their eyes. You talk to people in the street and they’ll say, ‘Ooh, what d’you think about Jedward?’ I go, ‘Well it’s a laugh, isn’t it?’ Bless ’em. They’re
Are there any bands or acts you’d like to work with now?
He’s spoken of me very kindly in a couple of interviews and I’m a massive fan of his. But I still can’t get up the nerve to ring him. Y’know, it’s Bob Dylan man! He’s a great guy and I’ve known him over the years. So if anything kind of… organically happened, or I suddenly got the courage to ring him, then that would certainly be an intriguing prospect. I’m a great admirer of his and I think he’s a great poet. It would be interesting.
A lot of people comment on what great shape you’re in. How long can you keep touring and recording at this kind of pace?
As long as the drugs hold out. The drugs and the Zimmer frame! Y’know, I’m now doing five times more work than The Beatles did (live). We used to do half an hour in concert. I don’t want to tempt fate, but I find it easy to play. Some of the American girls I know say to me, (in a high-pitched American accent) ‘You don’t even take a drink of water!’ Well, nobody ever did that where I was from. Nobody drank water on stage. I’m old school.
There’s no plan to give it all up and paint in a cottage somewhere? Do you still have the place in Kintyre?
McCartney’s Good Evening New York City live CD and DVD is out now.
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